Ilegal por? que yo sepa ya no se estaba en la recta de meta y no hay ninguna norma que prohíba abrirse a la salida de una curva. Lo dices pq Hamilton recuperó terreno por fuera de la pista?Iniciado por eloyf1
Ilegal por? que yo sepa ya no se estaba en la recta de meta y no hay ninguna norma que prohíba abrirse a la salida de una curva. Lo dices pq Hamilton recuperó terreno por fuera de la pista?Iniciado por eloyf1
Sé realista... Alonso no tenía ninguna necesidad de echarse hacia el lado de Hamilton a esas alturas (Si llega a ser justo a la salida de La Source, quizá, pero es que ya están en recta...), sobre todo cuando tenía que abrirse a la derecha para tomar Eau Rouge, curva de izquierdas en un principio...Iniciado por Robeck
Alkonso fue a sacar a Hamilton de pista... No le critico, ojo, porque ya hemos visto más de una acción de este tipo esta temporada, pero eso no quita que no me parezca bonito, y ni mucho menos, legal...
Estoy totalmente de acuerdo contigo (especialmente en lo señalado en negrita).Iniciado por Gorgias
¡Ah! y no tienes porqué sentirlo Gorgias, que yo no soy seguidor de Ferrari en absoluto ¿eh?, y aunque lo fuera, tampoco me sentiría ofendido por lo que dices.
Yo soy y seré siempre seguidor de Schumacher, que como bien sabes, no tiene nada que ver con ser fanático de Ferrari... Sí, es una marca de coches que me gusta (me encanta claro, ¿a quien no?), y quiza es la escudería de F1 que también más me gusta, pero vamos, no creas que me importa mucho (por no decir nada) el resultado que consigan en el campeonato de constructores.
Por cierto, creo que Eloy y yo compartimos el mismo punto de vista. Es decir, nos puede parecer sucio, ilegal, o lo que sea, pero estas cosas pasan en las carreras (y en las categorías de coches carrozados mucho más), y no nos vamos a escandalizar por ello; Lo que pasa es que no se debe tildar de sucio a Schumacher, Hamilton, Massa o quien coño sea en una acción ilegal, y que a Fernando no se le pueda criticar en una maniobra similar.
A mí me parece de puta madre que haya intentado acabar con la carrera de Hamilton en Spa de un plumazo, que haga lo que le salga de los cojones en la pista, pero luego no vaya diciendo que si "Schumacher es el piloto más tramposo de la historia", y que "Ferrari hace trampas", y todos esos cuentos que aburren a María Santísima. Luego resulta que su equipo ha sido sancionado por espionaje... y él ha tenido en Spa los mismos escrúpulos que Senna en pista (ninguno).
Lo dicho, apliquemos la misma objetividad para todos.
No estaba en recta, estaba saliendo de una curva para encarar una recta........y eso lo tiens que hacer abriendote cuando te quedas muerto, pq sino sales mucho mas despacio....lo dijo pedro y lo dicen y hacen otros pilotos.....Iniciado por eloyf1
Si nos ponemos, fijate tambien en el BMW de detras de Ham lo que le paso....
Ferrari take revenge at the double
Justice came thundering through the Ardennes forest draped in red, a pair of prancing horses pounding the enemy into the Belgian dust beneath rampant hooves. At least that is how the Ferrari diaspora will interpret their team's dominant one-two finish at the Belgian Grand Prix.
McLaren, caned by the authorities in Paris last week, took another pasting in Spa, where Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton were rendered impotent by the pace of Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa. The result, a third one-two of the season, secured the constructors' title for Ferrari, pending an unlikely McLaren spygate appeal, and catapulted Raikkonen back into contention for the drivers' championship.
The Finn's odds are not good but his karma is improving by the race. He is 13 points behind the championship leader, Hamilton, and 11 adrift of Alonso with three races remaining. Should the results in Japan, China and Brazil mirror Belgium, the numbers stack up for Raikkonen.
Of course, it's a long shot. But it is not out of the question given the state of affairs at McLaren. The idea maintained by McLaren chairman Ron Dennis that Formula One is a team sport was again ridiculed yesterday by his drivers, who are locked in antipathy fed by interests that are diametrically opposed.
At least they are freed from the pretence of working together by the team's ejection from the constructors' championship.
A lead in the drivers' championship for Hamilton that once stood at 14 points after the French Grand Prix in July is down to two and Alonso, the double world champion, is pulling every stunt he knows to gain an advantage over the rookie, most of it endorsed by his employers.
Hamilton believed Alonso crossed the ethical line on the exit of the first corner yesterday. Alonso was certainly aggressive in defending his position. Hamilton answered the following questions in the affirmative, which can leave Alonso in no doubt that hostile fire will be returned with interest over the closing races: "Did you learn something from that incident?" "Are you going to put that to use in the future?"
Hamilton is learning his trade at the sharp end against a master. How Alonso manages to maintain his composure in a rancorous atmosphere to which he has contributed heavily is beyond the ken of this observer. The Spanish have a word for it: cojones. Like him or loathe him, Alonso's are made of steel.
With Hamilton muscled sideways, Alonso clobbered the throttle through Eau Rouge to take up the pursuit of the Ferraris.
His effort was in vain. The downforce that was stripped from the cars in Monza was back in commission, nailing the Ferraris to the asphalt through Spa's lightning-quick corners. Alonso stuck with it until the first pit stop, then settled back to make sure of his podium.
Raikkonen's victory was his third on the bounce at Spa. Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo was ecstatic, dedicating the constructors' title that almost certainly came with it to the sleuth in the Horsham photocopying shop who alerted the people at Maranello to the shenanigans of McLaren's disgraced chief designer Mike Coughlan.
Fuji, where the circus pitches up next for the Japanese Grand Prix, is an unknown quantity to the teams. It matters little to Raikkonen. Only wins will do.
Following his first career victory at Malaysia in 2003, Raikkonen famously observed that the result would not change his life. Little has altered four years and a further 12 victories down the line.
"It was a nice race, a perfect result for the team," he said. "We knew we would be strong here. We know the reasons why we can't challenge McLaren at circuits like Monaco, Montreal and Monza. We will try to fix that for next year.
"We haven't given up. We are still in the hunt. We have reduced the gap. There are three races to go. Anything can happen. It would be amazing to do it. We will see."
McLaren face another difficult week, with transcriptions of both meetings of the World Motor Sport Council that decided their fate to be published. McLaren say they want 'closure' on the spygate episode. So do we. The consensus is that a swift end to the whole affair can be achieved only by McLaren deciding against an appeal.
That said, Ferrari's general manager hardly helped ease the tension by revealing that Raikkonen had testified against his former team in the spygate inquiry. Raikkonen confessed to listening to Ferrari radio traffic that was intercepted by the McLaren team.
Where will it end? Let he who casts the first stone be without sin. The clear mountain air of Fuji cannot come soon enough. Ferrari bade farewell to Europe with a resounding win. The symbolic value was considerable. Now it's time to move on.
Veamos, creo que tengo problemas para expresarme, porque a mi parecer, no llegaís a entenderme:
- LA MANIOBRA DE FERNANDO ES "LEGAL" SI consideramos que hay que medir con el mismo rasero todas las acciones de este año
- LA MANIOBRA DE FERNANDO ES "ILEGAL" con el reglamento en la mano
A mí me parece COJONUDO que se maten vivos en pista, que vuelen unos por encima de otros, con tal de adelantarse y degollarse entre ellos. Pero para eso, debe de haber un reglamento acorde con las decisiones de los comisarios. Si permiten estas cosas en pista, que lo digan perfectamente en el reglamento, así nos dejamos de discusiones tontas...
Eso sí, que luego no me venga ninguno de estos zoquetes llorando, ni Massa, ni Hamilton, ni Fernando... El único con derecho a quejarse aquí sería Kimi, pero como se la pela todo, pues...
Y que es lo que tiene de ilegal con el reglamento en la mano????
Hamilton aun no estaba delante ni a la par, simplemente alonso tapo un hueco a la vez que evitaba paparse a massa en la curva y quedarse sin capacidad de aceleracion......poned las imagenes de la camara aerea si teneis.....
Se que no es el lugar.....pero necesito poner aqui un post de prueba, asi que eso.....pruebaaaaaaaaa
Mira la repetición: podrás ver que Fernando sigue la trazada de Massa, incluso tiene una mejor trazada que este, y a pesar de ello, Massa hace la salida de La Source limpiamente, y por lo negro, mientras que Fernando tira recto, y creo que llega a tocar la hierba artificial incluso...Iniciado por katapiro
No hay mayor ciego que el que no quiere ver...
Iniciado por eloyf1
Tienes toda la razón Eloy, toda.Iniciado por eloyf1
Di que tu compartes su opinion....pero de ahi a que tenga toda la razon...... :PIniciado por MICK DOOHAN
No puede limitarse a trazar = que massa pq ha entrado a distinta velocidad que el, ya que anteriormente ha intentado pasarlo por el interior y ha tenido que frenar
Alonso closes in on Hamilton in Championship battle
VodafoneMcLaren Mercedes drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton finishedthe Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps in third and fourthpositions respectively. After 44 laps, 308.176 km and a total race timeof 1hr20min39.066, Fernando came home 14.3 seconds behind winner KimiRaikkonen. Lewis ended up fourth, 9.2 seconds behind his team mate.
Both drivers were on two-stop strategies. Fernando came in on laps15 (9.5 seconds) and 33 (5.8 seconds) whilst Lewis came in on laps 16(9.6 seconds) and 37 (6.3 seconds). After 14 out of 17 races, Lewismaintained his lead in the Drivers’ Championship with 97 pointsfollowed by Fernando in second position with 95 points.
Fernando Alonso “It was nice to be back at Spa. At the start Iwas sticking to the inside line as long as possible. UnfortunatelyLewis ran wide, as there was no space left and I knew there was plentyof run off area. I knew that my car in the first stint would be a bitfaster as I was stopping one lap earlier than Lewis, so it was veryimportant to be in front. Unfortunately Ferrari was just too quick forus today. I tried quite hard to keep the pace with Felipe in the firststint hoping that I could make up a position in the pitstops, but theywere slowly moving ahead - after the first stop it was impossible tocatch them. We just seemed to lack a bit of pace in the first and lastsectors. It will be a close fight until the end of the Championshipwhich the fans will hopefully enjoy.”
Lewis Hamilton “The car didn’t feel too bad, it just hasn’tworked for me as well as it has at other tracks. I just couldn’t seemto improve on my times at all. I got a good start and thought I had achance to get past at the first corner, but I had to run wide asFernando kept to the inside line. Initially I thought ‘oh thanks’ but Iguess these things happen when you fight for the World Championship.During the race I did the best that I could and was pushing all the wayto the end, hence the small mistake in the final laps. I got thepoints, which is the main thing. The gap between Fernando and myself isnow down to two points which is close, but I am just going to go allout in the last three races to try and win the Drivers’ Championship. ”
Ron Dennis “When you have two great drivers like Fernando andLewis fighting for the World Championship, you have to expectmanoeuvres like we saw today at the start, which are a result of bothbeing extremely competitive. We have a great World Championship withboth at the top of the table, and I am looking forward to the nextthree races. The team gave them every opportunity to fight up until thefinal lap. We have worked hard and have shown 100% reliability in theraces with our cars so far this year and the entire team look forwardto the rest of the season."
Norbert Haug “Today we had not the best performance of theseason so far. After five races Lewis was five points ahead of our bestplaced competitor, after ten he was 11 and now with three races to go13 and Fernando 11 respectively. We cannot expect dominant results likewe achieved last weekend in Monza on every racetrack. NeverthelessLewis and Fernando continue to cover the top two spots in the Drivers’World Championship as they have done for the last ten Grands Prix.Everybody in our team will work hard to maintain these positions untilafter the final race in Sao Paulo in five weeks time.”
Raikkonen from start to finish
Seventhvictory of the season, the fourth for Kimi Raikkonen. Today's is thefourteenth Ferrari win in the Belgian Grand Prix, number 199 out of 755Grands Prix entered by the Scuderia. Kimi took his 13th win from 119Formula 1 races: three of these wins, consecutively have come atSpa-Francorchamps. It is the third one-two of the season for Ferrari,the seventy fifth in its history.
Jean Todt: "Seventh win, the fourth with Kimi and the thirdone-two of the year. These are the numbers after a fantastic weekendand they come courtesy of all the work of a great team, which isworking as one, united and motivated, while the drivers also did agreat job. Also playing a key role as ever was the support of ourtechnical and partners, such as Shell. Of course, with hindsight it iseasy to say we should have more points to our name at this stage of theseason. It is down to us to correct our mistakes and improve our strongpoints. This is the key, if we want to have a chance of winning thechampionships. There are three races to go and we will tackle them inthe same spirit with the same approach as always, which means to say,with determination, passion and team spirit."
Kimi Raikkonen: "A great day! I had some doubts about the car'shandling after yesterday's qualifying, but everything went well. Thecar worked very well for the whole race: I was quick enough in thefirst part to control the race after that. It is nice to win here on myfavourite track for the third time in a row. Now we must continue topush. We are still a long way off in the championship but we are notgiving up and we will keep going right to the very end of thechampionship."
Felipe Massa: "It was a good race. I just had a bit of oversteerin the first stint but, at the stop we made a change to the front wing.The soft tyres worked very well and it might have been better to usethem even for the first stint but you can only see things like thatafter the race. I am very happy for the team as we really wanted thisone-two! Now, the situation in the championship is a bit better and wewill continue to fight to the end, believe it!"
Luca Baldisserri: "It was a great weekend. After a very closequalifying which saw us get both our cars on the front row, today wedominated the race. The F2007s worked really well, also thanks to thehelp of our technical partners, first and foremost Shell. The start wasvery important and then Kimi built up the gap in the first stint. Bothdrivers were exceptional, as was the whole team, both on the track andat home. Now we prepare for the last three races, starting with theJapanese Grand Prix, which takes place at a new venue. We will have tobe as well prepared as possible to give it our utmost to try and repeata day like today."
Mixed fortunes for BMW Sauber in Belgium
In the Belgian Grand Prix at the Spa-Francorchamps circuit Nick Heidfeldfinished fifth and scored another four points for the BMW Sauber F1Team. His team-mate, Robert Kubica, fought his way from 14th on thegrid to ninth and only just missed being in the points.
Nick Heidfeld: 5th
BMW Sauber F1.07-08/BMW P86/7 (T-car F1.07.04)
Fastest Lap: 1.48.663 min on lap 33 (5th fastest overall)
“This time my start wasn’t good at all. In the first corner I tried tomake up for it, but it didn’t work out. I was braking too late and inthe end lost out and was on the outside of the pack. I knew I had toovertake Heikki Kovalainen because he was on a one stop strategy. Itwasn’t easy but possible. When Nico Rosberg and Mark Webber refuelled alot earlier than me it was clear I could finish ahead of them. Also mylap times were good when I had nobody in front of me and drove in cleanair. Towards the end I was under no pressure so reduced the engine’srevs.“
Robert Kubica: 9th
BMW Sauber F1.07-03/BMW P86/7
Fastest Lap: 1.48.894 min on lap 32 (6th fastest overall)
“This is how it is as sometimes you push and get nothing. I didn’t do avery good start, but the race was how we expected it would be - verydifficult. It was very difficult behind Heikki Kovalainen as they havemuch more top speed, so when I was behind him I could not even gainfive metres. Also when I was behind David Coulthard after the first pitstop, I was much faster in the corners but as soon as we were on thestraights it was not possible to stay behind him. I lost a lot of timeas I was behind him for almost ten laps, and was running about twoseconds a lap slower than I could have done.”
Mario Theissen, BMW Motorsport Director: “We witnessed a goodperformance from our drivers today. Although Nick lost two positions atthe start, during the race he improved from eighth to fifth. Robertmade some very good manoeuvres, overtaking several cars on the track,although he was stuck in traffic for quite a while. He really deservedone point for his strong race, but gaining five positions and improvingfrom P14 to P9 is good.”
Willy Rampf, Technical Director: “Nick lost two positions at thestart, but very soon it was clear that this would have no influence onhis result. He was considerably quicker than Nico Rosberg and MarkWebber, despite carrying more fuel, therefore, he was able to overtakethem during his first pit stop. From this moment on he enjoyed a quietrace which he finished strongly in fifth. Robert had to start from P14and showed fighting spirit right from the beginning. He overtook fivecars in a few laps. However, after his first pit stop he got stuckbehind the one-stoppers. In particular he lost a lot of time behindDavid Coulthard, which in the end was just a little too much to finisheighth. He really deserved to score a point.”
Fuel pressure problem for Wurz as Rosberg takes 6th place
Nico Rosberg finished in sixth place in today's Belgian Grand Prix,contributing three valuable points for the second weekend in successionto the tightly contested mid-field in the Constructor's Championship.This has extended the team's lead over Red Bull and closing the gap tothird-placed Renault.
Alex Wurz by contrast suffered a difficult race with a fuel pressureproblem which could not be remedied by altering his strategy.Ultimately the team decided to retire the car in order to be able tothoroughly investigate the problem.
Nico Rosberg "I am absolutely delighted with the result becausetoday we were again the fourth placed team and it really shows that weare making progress from one race to the next. It's also positive forme because a good car allows me to show what I can do and I am nowcollecting points consistently, which was my target at the start of theseason. BMW were too strong today, so finishing 6th was the bestpossible outcome. I am especially happy that I did well at thischallenging track which was amazing to drive. From here I hope I cancontinue this progress and improve my placing in the Driver'sChampionship over the next three races."
Alex Wurz "Starting from 15th on the grid was anything but idealand it was terribly frustrating. But it was all uphill because we hadsome fuel pressure problems during the race. The problem got worse andworse, so I had to do an extra pitstop and try and recover fuelpressure, but it didn't work, so the team called me in before thingsgot worse. I think it is easy to understand why I am not happy withtoday's result."
Sam Michael, Technical Director "Nico had a good race and scoredanother three points for the team. Alex suffered from a fuel pressureproblem which we attempted to cure by changing his strategy from a onestop to a two stop and over-fuelling the car, but it didn't fix theproblem and we decided to retire him rather than risk an enginefailure."
Difficult Belgian race for Renault
Although Heikki Kovalainen drove a strong race and made up one position relativeto his starting slot, the team was left with the feeling of a missedopportunity. The Finn's one-stop strategy meant he was running heavierfuel loads than his rivals for much of the race, and he was unable totake the fight to the cars ahead of him, instead spending much of therace aggressively defending his position, notably against Kubica in thefinal ten laps.
Nevertheless, the Finn maintained his points-scoring streak with hiseighth-place finish, extending it to six consecutive races. Followingan enforced engine change after qualifying, owing to an oil leak from acomponent within the sealed perimeter, Giancarlo Fisichella actuallystarted the race from the pit-lane in the T-car. However, he ran offtrack at turn five on lap one, and was forced to retire with a brokenfront-left pushrod.
Heikki Kovalainen, 8th position
"It felt like I drove half of the race with my mirrors today – and whenI had a clear track, the car was too heavy to be able to do thelap-times we needed to make our strategy work. To be honest, with adifferent strategy, I think we could have achieved a better resulttoday because the car was definitely more competitive than it looked.After doing the long runs on Friday, we thought our pace was enough tomake the one-stop strategy work, but it just didn't work out today. Butthat's life – sometimes, you calculate that the risk is worth taking,and it doesn't pay off. I had a fantastic start, but after that, I wasjust defending all the way through. There was a lot of wheel-to-wheelaction but personally, I think that kind of thing is more fun when youare attacking! The positive thing to take from the weekend is that thebasic speed of the car was actually closer to the top cars than weshowed today. That is a good reason to be optimistic for the last threeraces of the season."
Giancarlo Fisichella, retired
"There is not much to say after such a short race. We started from thepit-lane, so we could use the car with a lower downforce set-up to tryand make up positions. But when I came to turn five, I braked and thecar just didn't slow down. It went straight on, I touched the barrierand broke the front-left suspension. I managed to get back to the pits,but there was nothing we could do to continue."
Flavio Briatore, Managing Director "This was a disappointingafternoon for the team, but we can still take some good things from theweekend. Heikki showed again that he can race with the top drivers, andcontinued his points-scoring streak. And the performance of the car inqualifying showed we can be optimistic for the end of the season. Now,we need to make sure we get everything possible from those last races,and don't let any opportunities slip."
Pat Symonds, Executive Director of Engineering "We decided tostart Giancarlo from the pit-lane in the T-car, following the engineproblem after qualifying. We did so because, as always, the spare carwas better optimised for racing from the back of the field, with alower-downforce set-up. Unfortunately, the brakes were cold aftersitting at the end of the pit-lane, and as he tried to slow for turn 5,he ran off track and broke the suspension. As for Heikki, I think wegave him a hard job to do today. We took the deliberate decision to gofor a different strategy to our rivals, running one stop instead oftwo, and at first sight it appears we didn't take the right option.Nevertheless, he drove a determined, tenacious race, and his defenceagainst Kubica in the faster BMW was exemplary."
Tough Belgian GP for Honda
The Honda Racing F1 Team endured a frustrating Belgian Grand Prix thisafternoon. Rubens Barrichello finished in 13th position and JensonButton was forced to retire on lap 37. The RA107 lacked consistencyaround the demanding seven-kilometre Spa-Francorchamps circuit, whichmade it difficult to drive over a race distance. As a result, the teamadopted a one-stop strategy to maximise their chances of a reasonableresult.
At the start, both drivers got away well. Jenson was 12th on thegrid and managed to retain that position through the notoriously tightLa Source hairpin on the opening lap. It was the same story for Rubens,back in 17th place.
The drivers battled their way up the order during the opening segmentof the race, helped by the cars ahead of them pitting early on theirtwo-stop strategies. Jenson then became the first of the Honda RacingF1 Team’s drivers to pit at the end of lap 24. He had climbed up to11th position by this point and rejoined the race in 15th place.
Rubens stayed out two laps longer than his team-mate, pitting from 12thplace at the end of lap 26. He rejoined in 17th position and spent theremainder of the race fighting with Liuzzi.
Disappointment was to strike on lap 37 when Jenson slowed two-thirds ofthe way around the lap. He made it back to the pits, but was forced toretire with hydraulic failure. Rubens went on to cross the line in 13thposition.
The team moves to Jerez this week, where it will test some aerodynamicupdates on the RA107 ahead of the next race, the Japanese Grand Prix on30 September.
Rubens Barrichello “This has been a pretty frustrating weekendfor us because we have been struggling with the car from start tofinish. Today, carrying that amount of fuel for a one-stop strategy,the rears were locking badly and I was fighting the car the whole race.Now we have to look forward to Tuesday, the start of our test in Jerez,where we will test the car in a different configuration - hopefully abetter one so we can make some progress in the remaining three races.”
Jenson Button “It’s always disappointing to retire from a racebut it was six laps less pain as the car was so difficult to drive. Weexpected a tough race this weekend, having tested the revised circuitback in July, so it was no surprise that the car has not been workingwell here. It was a tough race and the car was changing from hugeoversteer to understeer throughout the lap. Then the clutch startedslipping, the power steering failed and it was clear we had experienceda hydraulic failure. Disappointing, but we head to Jerez next week withnew developments for our home race in Japan and let’s hope for betterthings in Fuji.”
Jacky Eeckelaert, Engineering Director “Our race result todayreflects our qualifying positions and that was the most we could hopefor really. On this high-speed track our car is simply not fast enoughto get us into the points on merit and today there were no reliabilityissues at the front of the field. We adopted a one-stop strategy, whichwas the right choice from where we started, and both Jenson and Rubensdid a good job with a very difficult car. Next week we will be testinga new aero package in Jerez, which will be used for the remaining threeraces. We hope to be able to demonstrate the benefit of all the hardwork that has been taking place back at base over the past few weeks.”
Mixed emotions at Spa-Francorchamps for Red Bull
Once again it was a day of mixed emotions for the Red Bull Racing F1 Team atSpa-Francorchamps. David Coulthard had to retire the race after anotherhydraulics problem. Team mate Mark Webber drove an excellent race atSpa and took home 2 points as he finished 7th.
David Coulthard, (Finish Position DNF, Start Position: 11th)
"I had to stop due to a hydraulic related issue, I lost throttlecontrol and power steering. On Friday the car failed in Eau Rouge,which is never good, but fortunately this time it happened on astraight, so I had more room to manoeuvre my car out of the way of theothers. There's no way you can get it back to the pits in thatsituation, as you have no throttle control. The car was very heavy atthe beginning of the race, so I was quite slow, but as the fuel cameoff, I found more performance. The car wasn't too good when exiting thecorners today, or braking into the chicane and the hairpin; in factthere were a lot of problems which aren't usual for this car, so weneed to try and understand what went wrong today."
"In line with many people, I'm shocked and saddened to hear of the lossto the McRae family, of father and son, and obviously we mustacknowledge the other family that were on board the helicopter as well.Colin was a remarkable man who wore his heart on this sleeve and wasthe epitome of a racer; fearless and attacking, yet he remained true tohis roots and grounded despite the international fame and recognitionthat he achieved. The world is a sorrier place without him."
Mark Webber, (Finish Position 7th, Start Position: 7th)
"It's very good for us to get points today, it's not always easy for usthese days and it was great to beat the other Renault team fair andsquare. David did great job acting as a buffer in front of Kubica,which assisted me. It was an enjoyable race this afternoon, althoughtoday my thoughts are of course with the McRae family and the terribletragedy that happened yesterday."
Christian Horner: "A good afternoon's work for Mark, who madethe most of his strategy. I think seventh place was the optimum for ustoday, so it was a good result for him and the team. David was runningto a different strategy and aided the team strategically by holding upKubica for a number of laps. It was unfortunate for him to have whatlooks like a hydraulics failure, but he was running to schedule and itwas disappointing that he wasn't able to capitalize on his good workand make it to the finish. Echoing the sentiments of Mark and David, ithas been a tragic weekend for Motorsport losing one of the sports greatchampions. Our thoughts are with the families."
Fabrice Lom, Renault Principal Engineer, Track Support: "We arevery pleased to score two points today. Mark's performance confirmedwhat we have seen for the past few weeks: our car can perform well andthe competition is very tight in this part of the field. David was on adifficult one stop strategy; he gave his maximum and helped the team bydefending strongly against Kubica. Unfortunately he had a hydraulicfailure and had to retire, which means we still have some work to do toimprove the reliability of our package. That's what we will be workingon next week as we will be testing in Jerez, our final test before thelast three rounds of the 2007 season."
Disappointing day for Toyota in the Belgian Ardennes
Panasonic Toyota Racing left Spa-Francorchamps disappointed today after RalfSchumacher and Jarno Trulli finished 10th and 11th respectively in theBelgian Grand Prix, the final European race of the season. Both driversstarted in the top 10, with Jarno in 8th, two places in front of Ralf,but the order changed on the run to the first corner.
Jarno lost places in the run to the tight La Source hairpin,including a spot to Ralf, but battled on in the midfield traffic beforehis first pit stop on lap 14, when he changed to the soft BridgestonePotenza tyres. Ralf worked his way into the points positions before heswitched to the soft tyres at the end of lap 20. As the differingstrategies played out, Jarno made progress up the field and resumed in11th after his final pit stop on lap 32. A one-stop strategy helpedRalf fight in the top 10 but, despite his good pace in the closingstages, he missed out on the points and finished just ahead of Jarno.The next engagement is a test at Jerez in Spain, starting on Tuesday,where the team will step up preparations for the Japanese Grand Prix atFuji Speedway.
Ralf Schumacher (Car 11, Chassis TF107/05)
Race Classification: 10th Tyres Used: Medium, soft
Qualifying Classification: 12th Time: 1m 46.618s (+1.548s in Q2) Grid: 10th
“The race was okay. I did my best and I think we got the best out ofthe car, but unfortunately it was not quite enough for any points.Looking at it from that perspective, it is frustrating because wepushed the car to the limit and we hoped for more after our competitivepace in practice. On Friday it looked promising but we lost outcompared to the other teams and now we need to look at the reasons forthat. The next race is at our home track, Fuji Speedway, so the wholeteam is looking forward to the Japanese Grand Prix. Clearly this is animportant race. It is disappointing not to score points here but wewill push hard to do that in Japan.”
Jarno Trulli (Car 12, Chassis TF107/04)
Race Classification: 11th Tyres Used: Medium, soft, soft
Qualifying Classification: 9th Time: 1m 47.798s (+1.804s in Q3) Grid: 8th
“That was a difficult afternoon for me. At the first corner I lost afew places because I had to brake and go on the outside after anothercar braked late. There was nothing I could do. I fell behind other carswho had more fuel on board and were much slower than me, but it was notpossible to overtake because we didn’t have the straightline speed. Iexpected more from the race and if you look at the performance of thecar when I was not in traffic, we were quite competitive and I washappy with the balance. Now we will focus on Fuji Speedway for theJapanese Grand Prix and I hope we can get a better result in our homerace. We will be working hard in the test this week to improve and wewill try our best as always.”
Tadashi Yamashina, Team Principal “We were expecting a betterresult from this race so it is a disappointing result. Our performancesearlier in the weekend were quite strong so we were optimistic. Ralfdid a good job and considering there were no retirements in front ofhim that was the best he could do. He was on a one-stop strategy andkept in contact with Kovalainen, who was on a similar strategy. ForJarno, he lost places at the first corner and after the time he lost intraffic, his race was effectively over, even if he did show reasonablerace pace later on. Of course now we must prepare for the JapaneseGrand Prix. We are focused on Fuji Speedway now and our target is toget a strong result.”
Amazing performance of Sutil at Francorchamps
The Etihad Aldar Spyker Formula One Team has secured its most competitivefinish yet in today's 44 lap Belgian Grand Prix. Adrian Sutil had astrong drive to move through the field to 14th position, five positionsup on his grid slot, while Sakon Yamamoto finished in 17th position togive the team its second consecutive double finish with the new B-speccar.
Adrian had a flying start to end the first lap in 15th position.Over the next three laps he then passed Liuzzi, Button and then Trullito move into 12th, just a second from the Red Bull of David Coulthard.Despite pushing hard over the following 11 laps Adrian could not find away past. A pit stop dropped him back down to 18th but by his secondand final stop was back to the position. Adrian finished the race afighting 14th position, just three seconds from the 13th placed Hondaof Rubens Barrichello.
Sakon Yamamoto also drove a solid race, but unfortunately was not ableto take advantage of the softer Bridgestone Potenza tyre option used onhis first stint. He struggled with understeer, but following a balancechange and switch to harder tyre in his first stop could push much moreand stay with the Aguris. He secured 17th position at the finish.
The team will now return to its Silverstone base before heading to theFar East for a double header in Japan and China in two weeks.
Adrian Sutil "This is the first time I am smiling after gettingout of the car! It was a good race and every lap there were cars infront and behind that I was racing so I had to really push, but alsodefend. It was a great feeling, especially the first run, which wascrazy - I could take one car after another and got up to 12th beforethe first pit stop. We didn't have any trouble in the stops, everythingwent very smoothly, and I think 14th place with the B-spec car is verygood."
Sakon Yamamoto "From the start I really pushed as I could setthe same pace as the other drivers, but I had a soft tyre that gave a alot of understeer. On my first stop we went to the harder tyre and madea wing change so the car became much better balanced and I could pushfor the rest of the race distance. It was a good result and I think wecan be pleased as this weekend we have shown how much we can do withthe B-spec. The next race in Fuji will be my home Grand Prix so I amnow really looking forward to racing there."
Mike Gascoyne, chief technical officer "Obviously a verypleasing and competitive race for us, so well done to everyone in theteam. Adrian drove a storming race, especially on his first stint, andif he had been able to get past the one-stopping cars I think we wouldhave been able to finish one or two places further up. But overall Ithink it's good to be racing and overtaking some of the works teamsand, as a small team and a true constructor, I think we can be veryproud of what we have done today."
Colin Kolles, team principal and managing director "I am verypleased to see that we are now making real progress and are able tocompete with the cars around us. Adrian had an excellent race to 14thposition and Sakon did a very solid job in only his fourth race for theteam. I think we can now look forward to the last three races of theyear."
Double finish for Super Aguri
It was a hard fought Grand Prix for the SUPER AGURI F1 TEAM in Belgiumtoday. With Anthony reporting a problem with his SA07 on the way to thegrid, the team opted to start his race from the pitlane. Takuma made agood start and battled his way for most of his 43-lap race. Startingfrom 19th and 21st positions today, Takuma and Anthony took thechequered flag at the end of the last European race of the 2007 seasonin 15th and 16th places respectively.
Takuma Sato “It was a good race, under the difficultcircumstances. I made up a few places at the start, but on the Kemmelstraight, when I was side by side with a Toro Rosso, I was pushed offand so had to run on the ‘green’ and lost a lot of momentum. I then hadto keep battling to make up my lost positions, but I had fun doing itand had some exciting moments. That shows how great the Spa circuit isfor Formula One; that there are overtaking opportunities and that it’sa challenging circuit. It’s just a shame that we did not have the speedtoday, and that was frustrating. However, all-in-all I think that wehave a taken a few positive notes here before we head off to theJapanese Grand Prix.”.
Anthony Davidson “It was a pretty uneventful race for me. I hadto start from the pitlane after feeling a problem on the front end ofthe car on the out lap, so that was a shame. But I caught up with theback of the pack and really fought hard on my one-stop strategy to makethe most of it, and I think we did. I was stuck on the prime tyre forlonger than I wanted and just as the options came into the workingwindow. From then on I just had to bring the car home. It was good tosee our strategy pay off and I think that we’ve learnt a lot from thisweekend and will move forward for the last three races.”
Graham Taylor, Sporting Director “Given the Saturday that wehad, today was going to be all about working hard to produce a standardrace and both drivers stuck to their task. Anthony reported anill-handling car on the way to the grid, so we opted to change theset-up and start from the pitlane. We put both drivers on what webelieve were the best strategies today and I think that we got the bestout of the cars that we could. The team did a great job in the pitstopsand once again our reliability was good. Although we did not have asuper competitive car, the racer in Takuma still showed through.”
Encouraging race for Liuzzi and Toro Rosso
For Vitantonio Liuzzi it was a nice see again with the BelgianSpa-Francorchamps track. The Italian finished the Belgian Grand Prix in12th position. Team mate Sebastian Vettel wasn't as fortunate as Liuzzias he had to retire.
Tonio Liuzzi (STR2-03)
"I feel I drove a good race, with some nice passing moves. This weekendstarted on Friday with several problems, but qualifying went very welland I gained two places on the grid because of other people's problems.So I don't think we could have done better. Given how difficult thistrack is, I think the weekend went better than expected, as we showedwe had a good race pace compared to the Red Bull Racing cars. It was ajob well done apart from a problem with the right front wheel duringthe pit stop which cost me a few seconds, that meant I could not fightwith Button. But he retired anyway."
Sebastian Vettel (STR2-04)
"I retired because I could not steer the car to the right. It was aproblem with the steering but we don't yet know exactly what it was. Inleft hand corners it was fine. The problem was getting worse and atfirst we thought it might be something related to the tyres. But assoon as I left the pits with new tyres and went into the first righthand corner, I could feel the same problem. A real shame as the racewas only five laps old and we seemed to have quite a good race pace."
Gerhard Berger: "We had a good race with Tonio, apart from asmall problem with the right front during the pit stop. The rest of hisrace was consistent and quick. He was able to fight with the Honda,running at the same pace. I think twelfth is an optimum result for uson a day when few in front of us had any problems. It's a shameSebastian was unable to get past the opening laps because of a steeringproblem we are currently investigating. We are testing in Jerez nextweek and we will continue trying to make progress to the end. We cannotafford to lie back."
Iniciado por katapiro
Creo que aquí todos sabemos la diferencia de velocidad que podría haber entre Alonso y Massa en el vértice de La Source: practicamente ninguna.
Además, tengo claro que a Fernando no lo penalizaron por todo este jaleo que se ha armado con el caso del espionaje (sabes igual que yo, que ahora mismo tiene un trato de favor por parte de la FIA)...
Dicho esto, acabemos de encajar el resto de las piezas: Lewis se sale (obligadamente) por la escapatoria, se reincorpora a pista unos metros antes de Eau Rouge, y no se le penaliza; Si no fuera por que la maniobra de Alonso no era legal, Hamilton hubiera sido penalizado (con todo merecimiento) con un Drive Trough. El caso es que a Fernando no lo podían penalizar (o no era el momento ni la situación para hacerlo), así que a Lewis tampoco, porque que su maniobra fue evasiva, por eso salieron los dos "de rositas"...
Una cosa está clara, todo esto comenzó en el momento en que Fernando se tiro a por Lewis en la salida de la horquilla.
Tiene Alonso mas trato de favor que Hamilton??Iniciado por MICK DOOHAN
Ese trato de favor es por parte de Bernie o de Max?
Y Charlie por con cual de los 2 se lleva mejor?? Mira que siempre le va a dar mimitos al moreno al acabar las carreras....
Lo de Hamilton pasaria como siempre que hay un adelantamiento de ese tipo, obligarian a que se dejase pasar por Alonso que fue al unico al que perjudico con ese adelantamiento ilegal......vamos de toda la vida se hizo asi, nada de DT o S&G por esa maniobra.......eso en todo caso seria si no se dejaba adelantar en una cantidad de vueltas determinadas (Y si se ponian tontos = le enseñaban la negra.....y no me refiero a su madre sino a la bandera). Creo que en Suzuka hace 2 años se vio como Alonso hizo la maniobra de dejar adelantar a un piloto que habia adelantado de manera irregular...es mas se habian conundido y le obligaron a realizar esa maniobra 2 veces.....
De todas formas, con la perdida de posicion en Eau Rouge, o el no adelantamiento por parte de Hamilton, se esfumo cualquier tipo de penalizacion de ese tipo, ya que el Hamilton podria alegar que le paso pq le dejo pasar.....cuando se recupera una posicion que habia sido arrebatada de esa manera, no hay penalizacion para el que comete la maniobra ilegal
Iniciado por Erco
No no, mejor que sobre...
Estas dos son guapísimas:
Some of my pictures
Son tuyas? me encanta la del Super AguriIniciado por pincus52
Hello RobeckIniciado por Robeck
Yes they are my personal photographs
You will be able to see others of them on my space Web
Beautiful pictures pincus52.
Welcome to Forocompetición.
Merci beaucoup, elles sont très belles
J'aime surtout une de la Renault R26 sur de l'herbe artificielle, puis une autre oú Button et Kovalainen apparaissent
El enlace a Mininova con el Plató Abierto F1 del pasado lunes día 17:
Gracias Disk.Iniciado por disk
Bueno...pues teniendo en cuenta que no me puede publicar el video de stage (De momento lleva asi 2 dias a la espera de pasar del paso 3 al "esta listo")
Para no iros aburriendo voy a subir 1600 minifotos que resumen todo el GP
Tan en vision de pagina Html.....y sei a la gente le gusta, la proxima temporada hare lo mismo para que se pueda descargar un album para guardar en un DVD como resumen de toda la temporada
El video sigue en estado de publicacion......a saber q coño pasara.....