La verdad es que esa decisión lo único que hace es perjudicar a BMW, porque si se "heredaran", estarían bastante más cerca de Ferrari, creo yo...Iniciado por Gorgias
La verdad es que esa decisión lo único que hace es perjudicar a BMW, porque si se "heredaran", estarían bastante más cerca de Ferrari, creo yo...Iniciado por Gorgias
A mclaren esos puntos le siguen contando para "descontar" los 100 millones de la multa
Nunca comento nada en F1... pero es que hoy ha habido una cosa que me ha parecido graciosisima. Bueno, más bien patética, pero mejor reir que llorar.
En el previo, cuando Seara ha ido a entrevistar a Lauda. Le ha entrevistado en ingles, lo que me ha sorprendido gratamente, porque siempre entrevistan a hispanos o italianos. Pero cuando ha contestado Lauda, la hecatombe!!! porque se ha notado Un Huevo que Seara no se enteraba de nada. Quiero decir que lo que ha traducido, se lo ha inventado por completo. Lauda ha insistido en que Alonso debía olvidarse de la politica e intentar sacar lo mejor del coche, y Seara no decía más que "ha dicho que Fernando debe concentrarse, bla bla bla..." todo inventado.
Que ineptitud dios mio...
P.D.: La pronunciación de inglés de Lobato en las tomas falsas tampoco tenía precio... coño! que la Formula 1 es internacional joder...
La maniobra mas seguida
Championship leader Lewis Hamilton was unhappy with teammate Fernando Alonso's move at the start of the Belgian Grand Prix.
Alonso and Hamilton arrived side by side at the first corner, and the Spaniard forced the Briton off the track.
Hamilton had to go over the astro-turf before rejoining the track and again going side by side before the Eau Rouge corner, where Alonso emerged ahead.
The Briton felt Alonso's move had not been fair.
"I wouldn't say fair, but it was hard," Hamilton said of Alonso's move. "The guy on the outside doesn't always have the corner. I don't know whether I was ahead, but there was enough room for us all to get round fair and square.
"I just feel for someone that's always complain about people doing unfair manoeuvres, and everyone wanting to be fair and someone I look up to, and he has gone and swiped me and pushed me as wide as he could. I was just really lucky there was a run-off area so I could take that.
"At Eau Rouge it's impossible to take two Formula One cars through there without taking each other out, so I just lifted."
He added: "We all had equal starts, perhaps a little bit better for me than for Fernando. I braked quite late and was on the outside quite close to the Ferraris, and I was just behind Felipe. I started to accelerate and all of a sudden Fernando came sweeping across me, and he knew I was there, so...
"I did the best job I could to get by him down the straight, but it wasn't enough."
Hamilton finished the race in fourth place behind Alonso, who is now two points behind with three races to go.
The championship leader said he was still optimistic despite today's result.
"I still feel positive," added Hamilton. "I know it's difficult to believe that, but I am still leading the world championship by two points.
"He only took one point from me today. It's been a tough week, and for sure a lot tougher week for me than for Fernando because ... I won't say any more. (Ya empieza a jugar otra vez con la prensa.......ya le vale, pediran sancion para Alonso??...Intentando ganarse al equipo con "Él solo me ha recortado un punto hoy. Esta ha sido una semana dura, y seguro que mucho más dura para mí que para Fernando porque...no quiero decir nada más.")
"I think we all did a good job to still bring the car home, and the last three races will be close."
PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS
The Belgian Grand Prix
44 laps; 308.176km;
Pos Driver Team Time
1. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1h20:39.066
2. Massa Ferrari (B) + 4.695
3. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 14.343
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 23.615
5. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) + 51.879
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) + 1:16.876
7. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) + 1:20.639
8. Kovalainen Renault (B) + 1:25.106
9. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) + 1:25.661
10. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) + 1:28.558
11. Trulli Toyota (B) + 1:43.633
12. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 1 lap
13. Barrichello Honda (B) + 1 lap
14. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) + 1 lap
15. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) + 1 lap
16. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) + 1 lap
17. Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari (B) + 1 lap
18. Button Honda (B) 37
19. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 35
20. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 30
21. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 9
22. Fisichella Renault (B) 2
Fastest lap: Massa, 1:48.036
World Championship standings, round 14:
1. Hamilton 97 1. Ferrari 161
2. Alonso 95 2. BMW Sauber 90
3. Raikkonen 84 3. Renault 39
4. Massa 77 4. Williams-Toyota 28
5. Heidfeld 56 5. Red Bull-Renault 18
6. Kubica 33 6. Toyota 12
7. Kovalainen 22 7. Super Aguri-Honda 4
8. Fisichella 17 8. Honda 2
9. Rosberg 15
10. Wurz 13
11. Webber 10
12. Coulthard 8
13. Trulli 7
14. R.Schumacher 5
15. Sato 4
16. Button 2
17. Vettel 1
Justo he puesto la tele cuando estaban terminando dicha entrevista, así que me quedé con las ganas. Pero ya me puedo hacer una idea de cómo habrá sido. Y Lobato con el inglés... creo que era de Kimi de quien decía que no se le entendía nada al hablar en inglés. Si precisamente es más fácil entender en inglés a una persona cuyo idioma natural sea otro!!! Vaya, que mejor se va a entender a Kimi en inglés que a Button. Por lo menos es lo habitual.Iniciado por Kid
1st Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari), 1h20m39.066s; 2nd Felipe Massa (Ferrari), 1h20m43.761s; 3rd Fernando Alonso (McLaren), 1h20m53.409s.
Q: Kimi, from the pole, it looked like a perfect day for you. You were worried, before the race, perhaps, a little bit about your neck and also about a vibration or a feeling in the rear of the car in qualifying, but it looked to be perfect.
Kimi Raikkonen: Yes, I think so, not really any issues during the race. Only places were sometimes when you came up to lap some people it was pretty difficult because here it’s pretty low downforce, so you seem to lose a lot of grip, so it was pretty hard to get past people. But it was the same for everybody. Apart from that, the car was very good, everything went well and it was a nice race.
Q: And the neck and problem with the rear of the car?
KR: We never found anything, so it was probably in my head. The neck is OK, it’s not perfect but it’s definitely OK and for sure it’s going to be like normal in the next races, so that’s not a worry. It was a perfect thing for the team, one-two, and they did everything right today.
Q: It is amazing how quickly things have turned around from Monza. Only a week ago, a very tough race against McLaren Mercedes, but dominant here in the Ardennes.
KR: We knew that we were going to be much stronger here than we were in Monza. We know the reasons why we cannot challenge on the circuits like Monaco, Monza, Montreal. We try to fix that problem for next year, hopefully we can, and then we should be pretty strong. This is more to do with aerodynamics and our car is strong in that area, so any circuits like this are going to be OK for us.
Q: A great Ferrari one-two, Felipe. Talk us through the early laps, behind Kimi. How did your two cars compare, what sort of shape were you in at that point?
Felipe Massa: I had a very good start but I went sideways to Kimi but the corner was a little bit in favour of him, but I managed to get a good line as well. But then I think I started with maybe too much front wing, the car was pretty oversteering in the first stint. The second stint was pretty good, we could manage to keep the same margin from the beginning to the end of the run and then in the end, the car was just perfect on the soft tyres, so maybe it was a little bit the wrong choice looking at how the track improved, but anyway, we just know now. At the beginning we needed to take some risks, but I think the race was pretty good, the car was pretty quick, consistent and I think we did a very good pace compared to McLaren.
Q: So what you’re suggesting is that perhaps you could have run a longer stint on the softer tyres?
FM: Well, in the end, it was not a very long stint, but the tyres were pretty OK to run, so there was more grip, so it was better.
Q: Well, you obviously handled the defence against McLaren-Mercedes; what was it like in the early laps in terms of any pressure or not from Fernando?
FM: No, I just had a little bit of lack of grip in the first lap and I saw Fernando come very close but then the car was so good, so it was OK to pull out a gap and then just to build a gap for the next stop.
Q: Fernando, a very aggressive first corner and run up to Eau Rouge there against your team-mate Lewis Hamilton.
Fernando Alonso: Yes, in the first corner, Felipe locked the front tyre a little bit and was blocking the inside and I had no space, or I had a bad exit from turn one. I think also Lewis went wide at the exit of turn one, so he took a little bit of an advantage run in the tyre mark but yeah, we arrived wheel to wheel into turn three, four but I was lucky to be on the inside and to keep the position there.
Q: You got a good run inside him down the hill into Eau Rouge on slightly lighter fuel but for a minute there, it looked as if neither of you were going to give way.
FA: Yeah, but on this occasion I was quite confident and happy with my position into that corner. I was not too worried and as you said, I had one lap less fuel than him, so I knew that my car in the first stint should be quick enough.
Q: Did you actually touch with Lewis as he came back onto the track?
FA: No, no.
Q: And then the race against the Ferraris; they quickly disappeared. What was it like from your point of view, where did they seem to be quicker and how hard or not was your race as a result?
FA: I think they were too quick for us today. I tried quite hard in the first stint to keep pace with Felipe, just hoping around the pit stop time to make up a position but slowly they were disappearing and after the first stop, for sure, we didn’t see them anymore. We lack a little bit of pace in the race. We were quite OK in qualifying but for sure in the race we were off the pace by a couple of tenths today.
Q: But the feeling seemed to be in your team that although you were right there in qualifying, you would be in good shape for the race, or were you just saying that at the time?
FA: No, we thought so. I think we improved from last time. Maybe in Turkey there was no possibility at all to fight with them. Today, OK, they were quicker than us but maybe we have reduced the gap a little bit, but there’s still a long way to work but circuits will come now that maybe suit our car a little bit better, so I think we still have possibilities to win the race from now on.
Q: Kimi, we just heard Fernando say that he thinks the circuits coming up will suit the McLaren-Mercedes. Your call – the next race, Japan obviously, a completely open book.
KR: I don’t even know how the circuit looks, so it’s pretty difficult for me to say but I heard that it might be not the best place for us but we will see. I think the last three races can go either way really. I think it’s going to be a close call between the teams. For sure in qualifying we always seem to have a hard time against McLaren. In the races, in some places we can be stronger but overall I think we need to improve first in qualifying. We can always challenge or at least be better in the race, so we just try to keep working and try to improve but hopefully we can win more races.
Q: And in terms of the Drivers’ championship you’re only a win and a bit from Lewis Hamilton and Fernando now.
KR: Yeah, like I said before, we haven’t given up and we are still in the hunt. We reduced the gap again. We lost a little bit in the last race but I think anything can happen. There are still three races to go. Everybody is so close and for sure we’re going to fight hard, and sometimes you get it wrong and something can go wrong for all of us. We just keep pushing and see what happens. If we can do it, it would be amazing but it’s going to be difficult, but we don’t give up.
Q: What does it mean to win three races in a row here at Spa?
KR: For sure it’s nice. For sure it’s my favourite circuit, it was even before I came into Formula One, so it’s nothing to do with if I win or lose here. I just like it here, but I think that’s the reason that I have won here. It’s just a good circuit.
Q: And now you’ve closed up on the McLarens as well, leading a Ferrari one-two.
KR: Yeah, but unfortunately there’s still a long way to go but as I said before, we’re still in the championship and we keep pushing hard, hopefully we can catch up more in the next races and see if we can do it anyway.
Q: It seemed to be a troublefree race; how was the car on the softer tyres? Felipe was saying his was really good.
KR: Yeah, actually I was a bit surprised. I thought that maybe the first two laps would be OK and then it would go away a little bit but it was very good. Both tyres were working very well. I think the soft could have been very fast if we had been pushing 100 percent, so no complaints on that side at all.
Q: Felipe, it was pretty tight at the start with Fernando coming round the outside of you. He said you locked up.
FM: Yeah, actually I didn’t even see Fernando in the mirrors, because I was trying to fight with Kimi but I was on the outside, I saw Kimi went a little bit wide as well, so I needed to try to close. I didn’t see Fernando, so if we were close, I didn’t see, but anyway it was a good start, unfortunately not enough but it was a good start.
Q: Then you dropped back a little in the opening stages?
FM: Yeah, I had a big problem in the first stint, there was too much oversteer, it was very difficult to drive. But then I managed to improve the car a lot at the first stop by taking out the front wing and then it was pretty good, so the lap time was pretty good and very consistent. Then when we changed again to soft tyres it was even better, so maybe we took the wrong decision with the tyres. But it is very difficult sometimes to decide which style is going to work better. Also I think the drive improved a lot from yesterday to today and I think today the soft was better than the hard.
Q: And your position in the championship? How do you feel about that now?
FM: Well, for sure as Kimi said there is not a long way to go but we are still fighting. I will not give up until I see that the calculation is not there anymore. While we still see that there is a possibility I am going to fight.
Q: Fernando, as Peter said, quite an aggressive first corner there. Is there a slight change of approach between you and your team-mate now that you are no longer scoring points for the team but just for yourselves?
FA: No, same approach. Today it was just coincidence that we started third and fourth, sometimes we are spread second and fourth or whatever, and we arrived at the first corner and here at Spa it is a little bit more tricky because it is a 180 degrees corner and a very wide straight, so you can have many possibilities for the racing line into turn one. So I think it was just that, nothing changed in the approach.
Q: The margin to the Ferraris… did you think it would be about that at the end of the race?
Q: Not surprised?
FA: No. When we came on Thursday maybe we were hoping for something more after the Monza result but after the Friday sessions and especially yesterday in qualifying… Normally in qualifying we can fight with them for pole position and then in the race we struggle a little bit more. If in qualifying they were first and second we knew that the race is going to be very difficult as it was in the end.
Q: I guess you drivers have been saying it is swings and roundabouts going this way and that, all the way through the season. But we have had a major illustration of it in the last eight days haven’t we?
FA: Yeah, the last three races I think. Turkey was completely a Ferrari track, Monza was McLaren, this one Ferrari, hopefully the next one McLaren again…
QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR
Q: (Frédéric Ferret – L’Equipe) Question to Fernando. One point… Is it a good result or is it not enough?
FA: I am happy with the result for sure. We have been third and fourth position and in the championship these days it is only one point difference, so it doesn’t change anything for the last three races. I think the championship is very open as it was last Thursday before we came here, you know. Before I was three points behind, now I am two points, so nothing changes. What I need to do is finish the best position possible and if I win the last three races it will be enough. Even if I was four points behind, or two, or three, what I need is to win and hopefully next time I will have the chance.
Q: (Heikki Kulta – Turun Sanomat) Kimi, how big was the temptation to try for the fastest lap again?
KR: I didn’t want to risk anything. The car was very good but unfortunately you don’t get any points for that. Sometimes you might do it for fun but I didn’t have any temptations really on this one.
Q: (Claude Yvens – Radio Contact) Fernando, you were the fastest driver, if I am not mistaken, on the second part of the circuit, whereas Felipe Massa was the fastest in the first and third parts. So what explains the difference in lap times between you and Ferraris in terms of setup?
FA: I think this weekend we ran a little bit more downforce than them, more wind. So we were quicker in the middle sector, all the corners are there. They ran a little bit less downforce, so they were very quick on the straights in sector one and sector three. We tried different numbers in the test here back in July and for us the best compromise was what we had on the car. With less downforce we were quicker on sector one and sector three but we lost too much in the middle sector, so I think we matched our possibilities and we have to be happy.
Q: (Dan Knutson – National Speed Sport News) Kimi, we saw you do a bit of a donut spin there coming back into the pits. What happened?
KR: I lost it.
KR: No, I have always wanted to do one and here it is much easier so… And it was the second race engine, so it doesn’t really matter if you make life harder for it.
Q: (Frédéric Ferret – L’Equipe) Fernando, in the three races remaining what are the best circuits for the McLaren?
FA: Very, very difficult question as we surprise ourselves every race, so it is not anymore an easy prediction for what is going to happen. But maybe Japan can be good for us, but China and Brazil not so good.
Q: (Livio Oricchio – O Estado de Sao Paulo) Question for Massa. At the end of the race you attacked Kimi and reduced a lot the gap, in your mind was it possible to overtake him?
FM: No, no it was not possible.
Q: (Ottavio Daviddi – Tuttosport) Felipe, do you think that in the last three races you will be free to win or must you help Kimi to try to win the championship?
FM: I think I will be free to win.
Q: (Niki Takeda – Formula PA) Felipe, could you use a little bit less drag setup than Kimi today? Were there any options?
Q: As in less downforce.
FM: We were already quite low, so that was too risky. We saw that McLaren was very strong on sector two, so going with less than what we had was a little bit too risky.
Q: (Carlos Miquel – Diario AS) Fernando, do you think the fight between Kimi and Felipe could help you for the championship?
Q: Because if Kimi wins every race then Kimi at the end could be a very hard driver.
FA: I don’t know. For sure if Kimi wins all three races for the championship I need, and also Lewis needs to be second or third, otherwise we will lose too many points. For sure the championship is very open. Felipe is in the same position and still has possibilities to win, so I think we need to be very careful to finish all three races because if you have a DNF in one of them you say bye, bye to the title. So I am happy to pass these last two races, Monza and Spa, because they are the hardest two races for the engine and those are gone, so I am happy to finish and I will be happy to finish the remaining three. The positions are up to us to win.
Q: (Juha Päätalo – Financial Times Germany) Kimi, you already talked about we are a long way into the title but does it give you any boost winning here?
KR: I think so, it doesn’t matter if you win here or any other race. It helps me in the points and it helps me in the championship, so for sure it is much nicer to win than to finish third or fourth, or fifth, or second. I would rather win and have a better chance for the championship. That is what matters really.
Si no gana FA, quiero que gane raikko
Me encantaria ver un equipo Alonso-Raikko con cochecitos rojos :P
Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari (1st):
"A great day! I had some doubts about the car's handling after yesterday's qualifying, but everything went well. The car worked very well for the whole race: I was quick enough in the first part to control the race after that. It is nice to win here on my favourite track for the third time in a row. Now we must continue to push. We are still a long way off in the championship but we are not giving up and we will keep going right to the very end of the championship."
Felipe Massa, Ferrari (2nd):
"It was a good race. I just had a bit of oversteer in the first stint but, at the stop we made a change to the front wing. The soft tyres worked very well and it might have been better to use them even for the first stint but you can only see things like that after the race. I am very happy for the team as we really wanted this one-two! Now, the situation in the championship is a bit better and we will continue to fight to the end, believe it!"
Fernando Alonso, McLaren (3rd):
“It was nice to be back at Spa. At the start I was sticking to the inside line as long as possible. Unfortunately Lewis (Hamilton) ran wide, as there was no space left and I knew there was plenty of run off area. I knew that my car in the first stint would be a bit faster as I was stopping one lap earlier than Lewis, so it was very important to be in front. Unfortunately Ferrari was just too quick for us today. I tried quite hard to keep the pace with Felipe in the first stint hoping that I could make up a position in the pitstops, but they were slowly moving ahead - after the first stop it was impossible to catch them. We just seemed to lack a bit of pace in the first and last sectors. It will be a close fight until the end of the championship which the fans will hopefully enjoy.”
Lewis Hamilton, McLaren (4th):
“The car didn’t feel too bad, it just hasn’t worked for me as well as it has at other tracks. I just couldn’t seem to improve on my times at all. I got a good start and thought I had a chance to get past at the first corner, but I had to run wide as Fernando kept to the inside line. Initially I thought ‘oh thanks’ but I guess these things happen when you fight for the world championship. During the race I did the best that I could and was pushing all the way to the end, hence the small mistake in the final laps. I got the points, which is the main thing. The gap between Fernando and myself is now down to two points which is close, but I am just going to go all out in the last three races to try and win the drivers’ championship.”
Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber (5th):
“This time my start wasn’t good at all. In the first corner I tried to make up for it, but it didn’t work out. I was braking too late and in the end lost out and was on the outside of the pack. I knew I had to overtake Heikki Kovalainen because he was on a one stop strategy. It wasn’t easy but possible. When Nico Rosberg and Mark Webber refuelled a lot earlier than me it was clear I could finish ahead of them. Also my lap times were good when I had nobody in front of me and drove in clean air. Towards the end I was under no pressure so reduced the engine’s revs.”
Nico Rosberg, Williams (6th):
“I am absolutely delighted with the result because today we were again the fourth placed team and it really shows that we are making progress from one race to the next. It’s also positive for me because a good car allows me to show what I can do and I am now collecting points consistently, which was my target at the start of the season. BMW were too strong today, so finishing sixth was the best possible outcome. I am especially happy that I did well at this challenging track which was amazing to drive. From here I hope I can continue this progress and improve my placing in the driver’s championship over the next three races.”
Mark Webber, Red Bull (7th):
“It’s very good for us to get points today, it’s not always easy for us these days and it was great to beat the other Renault team fair and square. David did great job acting as a buffer in front of Kubica, which assisted me. It was an enjoyable race this afternoon, although today my thoughts are of course with the McRae family and the terrible tragedy that happened yesterday.”
Heikki Kovalainen, Renault (8th):
“It felt like I drove half of the race with my mirrors today - and when I had a clear track, the car was too heavy to be able to do the lap-times we needed to make our strategy work. To be honest, with a different strategy, I think we could have achieved a better result today because the car was definitely more competitive than it looked. After doing the long runs on Friday, we thought our pace was enough to make the one-stop strategy work, but it just didn't work out today. But that's life - sometimes, you calculate that the risk is worth taking, and it doesn't pay off.
“I had a fantastic start, but after that, I was just defending all the way through. There was a lot of wheel-to-wheel action but personally, I think that kind of thing is more fun when you are attacking! The positive thing to take from the weekend is that the basic speed of the car was actually closer to the top cars than we showed today. That is a good reason to be optimistic for the last three races of the season.”
Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber (9th):
“This is how it is as sometimes you push and get nothing. I didn’t do a very good start, but the race was how we expected it would be - very difficult. It was very difficult behind Heikki Kovalainen as they have much more top speed, so when I was behind him I could not even gain five metres. Also when I was behind David Coulthard after the first pit stop, I was much faster in the corners but as soon as we were on the straights it was not possible to stay behind him. I lost a lot of time as I was behind him for almost ten laps, and was running about two seconds a lap slower than I could have done.”
Ralf Schumacher, Toyota (10th):
“The race was okay. I did my best and I think we got the best out of the car, but unfortunately it was not quite enough for any points. Looking at it from that perspective, it is frustrating because we pushed the car to the limit and we hoped for more after our competitive pace in practice. On Friday it looked promising but we lost out compared to the other teams and now we need to look at the reasons for that. The next race is at our home track, Fuji Speedway, so the whole team is looking forward to the Japanese Grand Prix. Clearly this is an important race. It is disappointing not to score points here but we will push hard to do that in Japan.”
Jarno Trulli, Toyota (11th):
“That was a difficult afternoon for me. At the first corner I lost a few places because I had to brake and go on the outside after another car braked late. There was nothing I could do. I fell behind other cars who had more fuel on board and were much slower than me, but it was not possible to overtake because we didn’t have the straight-line speed. I expected more from the race and if you look at the performance of the car when I was not in traffic, we were quite competitive and I was happy with the balance. Now we will focus on Fuji Speedway for the Japanese Grand Prix and I hope we can get a better result in our home race. We will be working hard in the test this week to improve and we will try our best as always.”
Vitantonio Liuzzi, Toro Rosso (12th):
“I feel I drove a good race, with some nice passing moves. This weekend started on Friday with several problems, but qualifying went very well and I gained two places on the grid because of other people's problems. So I don’t think we could have done better. Given how difficult this track is, I think the weekend went better than expected, as we showed we had a good race pace compared to the Red Bull Racing cars. It was a job well done apart from a problem with the right front wheel during the pit stop which cost me a few seconds, that meant I could not fight with Button. But he retired anyway.”
Rubens Barrichello, Honda (13th):
“This has been a pretty frustrating weekend for us because we have been struggling with the car from start to finish. Today, carrying that amount of fuel for a one-stop strategy, the rears were locking badly and I was fighting the car the whole race. Now we have to look forward to Tuesday, the start of our test in Jerez, where we will test the car in a different configuration - hopefully a better one so we can make some progress in the remaining three races.”
Adrian Sutil, Spyker (14th):
“This is the first time I am smiling after getting out of the car! It was a good race and every lap there were cars in front and behind that I was racing so I had to really push, but also defend. It was a great feeling, especially the first run, which was crazy - I could take one car after another and got up to 12th before the first pit stop. We didn’t have any trouble in the stops, everything went very smoothly, and I think 14th place with the B-spec car is very good.”
Takuma Sato, Super Aguri (15th):
“It was a good race, under the difficult circumstances. I made up a few places at the start, but on the Kemmel straight, when I was side by side with a Toro Rosso, I was pushed off and so had to run on the ‘green’ and lost a lot of momentum. I then had to keep battling to make up my lost positions, but I had fun doing it and had some exciting moments. That shows how great the Spa circuit is for Formula One; that there are overtaking opportunities and that it’s a challenging circuit. It’s just a shame that we did not have the speed today, and that was frustrating. However, all-in-all I think that we have a taken a few positive notes here before we head off to the Japanese Grand Prix.”.
Anthony Davidson, Super Aguri (16th):
“It was a pretty uneventful race for me. I had to start from the pitlane after feeling a problem on the front end of the car on the out lap, so that was a shame. But I caught up with the back of the pack and really fought hard on my one-stop strategy to make the most of it, and I think we did. I was stuck on the prime tyre for longer than I wanted and just as the options came into the working window. From then on I just had to bring the car home. It was good to see our strategy pay off and I think that we’ve learnt a lot from this weekend and will move forward for the last three races.”
Sakon Yamamoto, Spyker (17th):
“From the start I really pushed as I could set the same pace as the other drivers, but I had a soft tyre that gave a a lot of understeer. On my first stop we went to the harder tyre and made a wing change so the car became much better balanced and I could push for the rest of the race distance. It was a good result and I think we can be pleased as this weekend we have shown how much we can do with the B-spec. The next race in Fuji will be my home Grand Prix so I am now really looking forward to racing there.”
Jenson Button, Honda (DNF):
“It's always disappointing to retire from a race but it was six laps less pain as the car was so difficult to drive. We expected a tough race this weekend, having tested the revised circuit back in July, so it was no surprise that the car has not been working well here. It was a tough race and the car was changing from huge oversteer to understeer throughout the lap. Then the clutch started slipping, the power steering failed and it was clear we had experienced a hydraulic failure. Disappointing, but we head to Jerez next week with new developments for our home race in Japan and let's hope for better things in Fuji.”
Alexander Wurz, Williams (DNF):
“Starting from 15th on the grid was anything but ideal and it was terribly frustrating. But it was all uphill because we had some fuel pressure problems during the race. The problem got worse and worse, so I had to do an extra pitstop and try and recover fuel pressure, but it didn’t work, so the team called me in before things got worse. I think it is easy to understand why I am not happy with today’s result.”
David Coulthard, Red Bull (DNF):
“I had to stop due to a hydraulic related issue, I lost throttle control and power steering. On Friday the car failed in Eau Rouge, which is never good, but fortunately this time it happened on a straight, so I had more room to manoeuvre my car out of the way of the others. There’s no way you can get it back to the pits in that situation, as you have no throttle control. The car was very heavy at the beginning of the race, so I was quite slow, but as the fuel came off, I found more performance. The car wasn’t too good when exiting the corners today, or braking into the chicane and the hairpin; in fact there were a lot of problems which aren’t usual for this car, so we need to try and understand what went wrong today.”
“In line with many people, I’m shocked and saddened to hear of the loss to the McRae family, of father and son, and obviously we must acknowledge the other family that were on board the helicopter as well. Colin was a remarkable man who wore his heart on this sleeve and was the epitome of a racer; fearless and attacking, yet he remained true to his roots and grounded despite the international fame and recognition that he achieved. The world is a sorrier place without him.”
Sebastian Vettel, Toro Rosso (DNF):
“I retired because I could not steer the car to the right. It was a problem with the steering but we don't yet know exactly what it was. In left hand corners it was fine. The problem was getting worse and at first we thought it might be something related to the tyres. But as soon as I left the pits with new tyres and went into the first right hand corner, I could feel the same problem. A real shame as the race was only five laps old and we seemed to have quite a good race pace.”
Giancarlo Fisichella, Renault (DNF):
“There is not much to say after such a short race. We started from the pit-lane, so we could use the car with a lower downforce set-up to try and make up positions. But when I came to turn five, I braked and the car just didn't slow down. It went straight on, I touched the barrier and broke the front-left suspension. I managed to get back to the pits, but there was nothing we could do to continue.”
A kimi se le entiende mal pq simplemente por la manera de hablar, no pq no hable ingles como lengua materna.......
Mi acento en inglés no es precisamente digno de Canterbury, y aún así, yo de Kimi sólo logro oír "padaddapa"... En serio, le deberían de rogar que se quitase el zapato de la boca antes de las Ruedas de Prensa.Iniciado por Gorgias
Sé que es algo característico de muchos pilotos finlandeses, pero es que en el caso de Kimi no se sabe si habla en inglés o en swahili.
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo dedicated his team's Belgian Grand Prix triumph on Sunday to an employee at an English photocopy shop.
"It's a perfect victory, for which I want to thank Raikkonen, Massa, (team boss Jean) Todt and all these guys," he said after Finland's Kimi Raikkonen led Brazilian teammate Felipe Massa across the finish line.
"I want to dedicate it to our fans who believe in the fairness of the sport and to this English gentleman who in the month of June wanted to inform us that someone linked to an opponent team entered into his shop and asked him to copy dozens of pages containing technical information about our car.
"Without him it would never have been possible to shine the light on to one of the worst pages in the history of motorsport," he added.
Sunday's one-two mathematically sealed the constructors' championship for Ferrari, subject to a possible appeal from rivals McLaren.
The Mercedes-powered team, who took a one-two in Italy last weekend and had led Ferrari by 23 points, were stripped of all their constructors' points and fined $100 million on Thursday for spying on Ferrari.
That controversy blew up in July after a 780-page dossier of Ferrari technical information was found at the home of McLaren's now-suspended chief designer Mike Coughlan.
Ferrari say an employee of the shop in southern England tipped them off that somebody had come in to copy a significant quantity of their documents.
That person was later identified as Coughlan's wife, Trudy.
Ferrari have accused former employee Nigel Stepney of passing the information to Coughlan and are taking legal action against him in Italy as well as against the Coughlan's in Britain.
Me cito, porque en telecinco, me han vuelto a demostrar de nuevo que sólo les interesa el morbo: He llegado a casa sobre las 20:45, he encendido la tele (estaba en tele 5, creo que estaban emitiendo esa bazofia de programa llamado "el buscador"), y justo ha salido un accidente en un rally con atropello de espectador incluido (no me he dado cuenta muy bien, así que no puedo asegurarlo, pero creo que ese espectador estaba cruzando la pista en el momento en que pasaba el coche... ). Tanto "recordar" a Colin por la mañana, para luego buscar la carnaza, con el atropello de un espectador imprudente... en fin, no voy a decir nada más sobre esto.Iniciado por MICK DOOHAN
Desde luego, y también merece la pena mencionar el gesto de Rossi en la carrera de Motogp.Iniciado por eloyf1
Iniciado por eloyf1Yo creo que Fernando no ha tenido ninguna contemplación en esa maniobra, y ha ido a sacar a Lewis fuera de la pista de manera descarada. No ha hecho una trayectoria curvada o digamos "normal" saliendo de La Source, sino que al salir de la horquilla, se ha tirado al arcén exterior de la pista en diagonal de manera brusca y violenta... No me ha gustado absolutamente nada esa forma de obrar.Iniciado por Robeck
Hamilton ha tenido que salir por la escapatoria y se ha reincorporado donde ha podido, no se trata de que sea legal o no adelantar así, puesto que si los comisarios le hubieran puesto a Lewis una sanción por ello, a lo mejor antes tenían que haber hecho lo propio con Fernando por esa maniobra desmedidamente agresiva (al menos a mi juicio). ¡Joder!, es que hasta Lobato y Serrano se han escandalizado...
Al llegar a Eau Rouge, Alonso tenía el lado bueno, ha pasado a Lewis, y ahí ha acabado la carrera.
Se podrá estar o no de acuerdo pero decir que no era la trayectoria normal......durante toda la carrera todos los coches suelen pisar ese piano para tomar la curva lo más abierta posible y poder dar gas a tope lo antes posible. Para mi si que ha ido por la trayectoria normal de la curva.Iniciado por MICK DOOHAN
"El Buscador" merece un hilo aparte, además de que la Federación Española de Automovilismo les denunciase por difamación y calumnias, pero en este país NO HAY HUEVOSIniciado por MICK DOOHAN
Desde que dijeron que un 205 de Regional saltaba de forma "peligrosísima" (Cambio de rasante cutre, cutre) a más de 250 km/h...
Además, ya la liaron en el Rallye de Ourense, creo recordar, pidiendo una acreditación, grabando en los tramos, recreándose con la salida de un Evo (Por cierto, los espectadores estaban mal colocados, al igual que ellos, pero bueno... ), y después de eso, dándoselas de salvavidas tras una salida de un 206 del Desafío, con la gilipollas de la reportera diciendo "Aquí huele a gasolina!!! Que nadie fume, que nos quemamos vivos!!!"...
Tras ello, no se les ocurre otra cosa que entrevistar al piloto del 206, que con DOS COJONES pasa de ellos olímpicamente... Según tengo entendido, el público les fue abucheando en cada tramo, y para rallyes siguientes, les denegaron las acreditaciones...
Eso sí, me parece tan patéticos ellos, como los "aficionados" que envían sus vídeos al programa este...
Perdón por el OT
Robeck, he visto las suficientes carreras de coches y motos, como para poder emitir un juicio respecto de una trazada, no pienses que estoy tratando de justificar el porqué Hamilton no ha quedado delante de Fernando. Lewis no ha quedado delante porque ha sido más lento, y yo no voy a discutirlo porque es obvio.Iniciado por Robeck
Al salir del ápice de La Source, Fernando no sigue la línea natural, sino que sigue recto hacía la izquierda de la pista de forma violenta, con el único objetivo de cerrar a Lewis y que éste no se empareje con él. En el video que ha puesto Kata un poco más arriba, se ve claramente la maniobra, incluso cómo Fernando pisa más allá del piano con las ruedas de la parte izquierda del monoplaza debido a la brusquedad que emplea (aproximadamente segundo 20, desde la cámara on board trasera de Felipe Massa).
De hecho, me ha parecido oir cuando ha acabado la carrera, que Lewis estaba molesto con esa maniobra de Alonso, así que no creo que me esté inventando yo nada.
Si eso lo hace uno que yo me sé, mañana estan dándole por el culo en la portada de todos los periódicos deportivos de éste país, pero como lo ha hecho Fernando...
Joder... no sabía nada de esto, que gentuza.Iniciado por eloyf1
El salto del 205, o AX, no me acuerdo, fue a 250 km/h y no 205 km/h, según ellos...Iniciado por MICK DOOHAN
:meparto4:Iniciado por eloyf1
Por cierto, con mi pregunta durante la carrera, creo que quedó claro lo que pienso al respecto de la maniobra de Fernando, no???
Yo pensaba que le iban a poner un Drive Through, incluso...
Sí, yo te entendí perfectamente.Iniciado por eloyf1
Fernando Alonso (McLaren-Mercedes), tercero en el Gran Premio de Bélgica, restó importancia a las declaraciones de su compañero de equipo, el británico Lewis Hamilton, y afirmó: "Ayer Ron (Dennis) dijo una cosa, hoy Lewis dice otra, y mañana dirá otra Ana Rosa Quintana". :meparto4: :meparto4: :meparto4: :meparto4: :meparto4:
"Lo que no puedo hacer es empezar a hablar cada vez de lo que dicen los demás. En la salida intenté mantener la posición. Vi que Massa bloqueó un poco los neumáticos y tuve la esperanza de poder adelantarle. Pero luego se recuperó bien y no pude conseguirlo", explicó.
"Luego intenté abrirme por la curva para tener una buena salida. Vi que Lewis iba por fuera y que en vez de soltar utilizó todo lo que no es circuito, lo que es para seguridad, utilizó la escapatoria de asfalto para seguir a tope (el año pasado allí había un muro y había que soltar sí o sí) y logró emparejarse conmigo", agregó.
"A partir de ahí pensaba que tarde o temprano iba a dejarme pasar. Pensé que iba a soltar antes de 'Eau Rouge' para dejarme pasar y por eso seguí a tope. Puede que en la tele parezca espectacular, pero dentro del coche no fue nada del otro mundo. No hubo que hacer nada. Son cosas de la física y de la lógica. Si vas por fuera en 'Eau Rouge' tienes que soltar", explicó el español.
"Sé que por desgracia esta salida va a ser el tema de conversación. En Spa siempre hay problemas en la primera curva, que es de 180 grados. Esta vez estábamos más juntos (tercero y cuarto) que en otras carreras, en las que a lo mejor hemos arrancado segundo y cuarto o primero y tercero. Hemos tenido la mala suerte de que en la tele se viera más de lo que fue", dijo.
Alonso, que se ha situado a dos puntos de Hamilton a falta de tres carreras, cree que depende de sí mismo para tratar de ganar el título: "Si estás a demasiados puntos necesitas ganar carreras y además esperar algo de los demás, como les sucede a los Ferrari, que necesitan ganar y esperar a que nosotros fallemos".
"Tengo la suerte de estar en una posición en la que dependo de mí mismo. Si sigo acabando delante del líder en las carreras que faltan puedo llevarme el gato al agua. Ha pasado la primera de las cuatro finales, pero quedan otras tres", comentó.
'Kimi no está tan lejos'
Respecto al ganador de la carrera, el finlandés Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari), tercero en el campeonato a trece puntos de Hamiton y a once de él, Alonso dijo: "Kimi no está tan lejos. Hay que pensar que todavía quedan muchas carreras. Si cualquiera de los cuatro tenemos algún abandono se puede decir adiós al campeonato. Hoy Kimi ha recortado cinco puntos de una tacada. Estar a once puntos de mí a falta de tres carreras no es tanto. Hay que intentar ganar carreras, sobre todo cuando llegamos a circuitos favorables para nosotros".
Alonso no cree que haya empezado a tomar el mando en la lucha psicológica con Hamilton: "No creo. Esto ha ido un poco por rachas. Al principio parecía del campeonato que todo salía bien, a mitad parecía todo iba mal, y ahora parece que tenemos el viento a favor. Hay que tratar de aprovechar esta racha, esta tendencia de la clasificación. En la siguiente carrera hay que darlo todo otra vez".
"Unas veces todo sale bien y otras sale todo mal. Francamente creo que en las seis o siete últimas carreras he tenido bastante suerte, he tenido todo de cara. En las nueve primeras Hamilton hizo nueve podios y ahí la suerte la tuvo él. En Mónaco incluso se tocó cinco o seis veces con el guardarraíl y acabó segundo... Ha sido un poco más por suerte y espero mantenerla yo hasta el final", añadió el español.
El asturiano considera que este Mundial como todos, se va a decidir por un detalle: "Todos los mundiales se deciden por detalles. En 2005 se decidió por la poca fiabilidad de los McLaren-Mercedes; en 2006 se decidió por lo que pasó en Suzuka, cuando Michael (Schumacher) rompió el motor... Y este año, a falta de tres carreras, no se puede hacer pronóstico alguno, ni acercarse. Cualquier cosa que se tuerza en un gran premio te puede hacer decir adiós al campeonato y eso nos puede suceder a cualquiera de los cuatro. Ojalá que no sea a mí".
Pos eso, justo lo que dice el.....si toma la curva mas cerrada, sale muy muerto de la curva y se lo adelantan, al no dejar que te metas por el interior y tener que modificar la trazada, tienes que abrirte asi para no quedarte en el sitio
Culpa de Ham q venia por detras
:meparto4:Iniciado por katapiro
Ya veo que Fernando ha intentado dar la vuelta a la tortilla diciendo esto...
Lewis no tuvo más remedio que salirse por la escapatoria para que Alonso no le embistiera.
Interesante reflexión la tuya Kata sobre todo lo marcado en negrita...Iniciado por katapiro
A ver, como lo explicaría yo esto...
En verde: trazada natural.
En rojo: trazada de Alonso ayer.
Por cierto, Felicidades a Kimi.
Pos yo en la camara onboard de alonso no veo nada raro...me parece que va por la trazada de massa aproximadamente (Hay que tener en cuenta que si se mete por el interior, se papa a massa)
Hay que saber cubrir tambien los huecos, y eso consiste en tapar la trazada normal y natural del otro sin hacer cosas raras como ya hizo Ham en otras salidas. No se puede apartar simplemente pq el otro muestre el morro si aun no le ha ganado la posicion
Veo de lo mas normal del mundo que se haga esa trazada para no quedarte muerto en esa curva.....no solo hay que mirar lo que venia por detras sino tambien la maniobra que acababa de realizar para adelantar al de delante
Desde luego que es "aproximademente" la trazada normal, pero hay una sutil diferencia...Iniciado por katapiro
Además, por lo visto, no soy el único que opina así, Eloy ya dijo algo sobre esto al iniciarse el Gran Premio; Y no, no le mando la propina los domingos para que esté de acuerdo conmigo...
Tu opinión me parece muy respetable Kata, aunque ya sabes que no la comparto en absoluto. Sólo espero que cuando Hamilton le haga la correspondiente putadita a Fernando en Fuji, Shanghai, o Interlagos, apliqueis el mismo rasero para él, y hagais la vista gorda.
Ya sabeis que yo no me caso con nadie; Si Lewis o Massa hacen alguna pifia a Fernando en alguno de los próximos GGPP, diré exactamente lo mismo de ellos, puesto que ninguno es un Santo.
Venga, un saludo; A ver si entra más gente a opinar.
Bueno, yo no creo que hubiera intención en sacar de pista a nadie. Fueron a cuchillo los dos, y no había espacio físico, o al menos, no mucho. Para mantener la posición, creo que Alonso hizo lo natural al "echarse encima". Y en el momento, dentro del coche, probablemente no hubiera muchas más opciones. Lo que está claro es que tal y como está el mundial, ceder implicaba perder la posición, y no es algo que pueda permitirse. Hamilton ya ha demostrado que no se arruga ante el riesgo, así que entre uno y otro... se junta el hambre con las ganas de comer.
Que a Hamilton le haya sentado mal o haya insinuado que Alonso le quiso echar¿? Bueno, es su opinión, pero no creo que sea lo ocurrido. Se están jugando mucho y posiblemente en las carreras que queden veamos jugadas parecidas, de uno a otro y de otro a uno. Es más, me imagino que Hamilton se querrá sacar la espina. Quedan 3 salidas. Si vuelven a salir tan cercanos en posición como en Bélgica, seguro que vemos algo parecido. En concreto, estoy pensando en la primera curva de Brasil.
Pero vaya, que no creo que haya sido nada más que un incidente de carrera, pero que por las circunstancias, puede parece que haya mala intención por parte de Alonso.
Yo si os digo la verdad lo veo más como una venganza... Eso no quita por supuesto que fuera feísimo...
Venganza??? Sí, ya que vió que acciones como la de Massa en Nürburgring no se penalizan, ni algunas salidas de Hamilton son investigadas, pues se creerá cond erecho a hacer eso... Me parece perfecto, pero que luego no lloroen si los dos GILIPOLLAS estos se quedan fuera en Japón, por decir algo, y se les queda Kimi a tiro de piedra...
Esas cosas quedan muy bonitas en la Nascar, incluso puede que en la IRL o la Champcar, sobre todo si los pilotos se lían mamporrazos tras la carrera, y las audiencias suben, pero es que allí, el reglamento "permite" estas barbaridades (Tanto como permitir, no, pero sí tolerar, que creo que es mucho más apropiado) en aras del espectáculo... Si esto es lo que busca la Panda de Pancho Villa, que primero se esfuerzen en cambiar el reglamento...
Hombre, si se quedan fuera en Japón ya van a tener con quien compararse... El ego de ambos se vería muy reforzado Y si Kimi recorta y se les acerca peligrosamente... francamente, me gustaría, tanto por darle emoción al campeonato, con 3 pilotos en unos pocos puntos, como porque creo que se merece un título (aunque no me guste Ferrari, lo siento MICK).
Las grandes maniobras se hacen en este tipo de momentos, arriesgando más de la cuenta, echándole un par.....al final es lo que el público quiere, ese momento en el que te quedas sin respiración y terminas diciendo "alucinante". Como la pasada de Kimi a Fisichella en la última vuelta de Suzuka 2005 o la pasada de Alonso a Schumacher en aquel mismo GP, o la batalla Alonso-Massa en Nurburgring o la salida de Hamilton-Massa en Monza.
En el momento o desmenuzando las acciones se podría sancionar "algo" pero ese es el espíritu de las carreras, cada vez hay menos momentos de este tipo, está todo muy controlado, sanciones por cosas que hace años era impensable, sin estos momentos la F1 sería más aburrida........aún!!
Para mi son lances de carrera, si sancionamos esto nos cargamos la F1 pq si ya es dificil adelantar encima los pilotos tendrá que pensar "a ver que adelantamiento hago pq si la cago me sancionan"
Por otro lado viendo el rendimiento de los Ferrari en Turquía y Bélgica, viendo que en McLaren con todo esta movida se están desconcentrando, viendo que China favorece a Ferrari y posiblemente Fuji también.....creo que Kimi puede tener opciones de ganar el campeonato, más aún si las flechas plateadas rememoran a Senna y Prost en Suzuka hace unos años. El único problema es la regularidad de Kimi y la fiabilidad del Ferrari, se está poniendo muy emocionante.
No tienen más que cambiar el reglamento: lo sucedido ayer, con el reglamento actual en la mano, es totalmente ilegal... Pero claro, como quí cada uno (Bueno, no, cado uno no, ya sabemos quiénes) se toman las definiciones del reglamento según les conviene, pues...Iniciado por Robeck